In her February 2008 deposition, former seminary professor Sheri Klouda — who has an earned Ph.D. from the Southwestern Seminary though she has never studied at Luther Rice or the University of South Africa — was asked about her interactions with the seminary’s professor of theology, Dorothy Patterson. The First Lady was present at the deposition, as was one other employee of Southwestern Seminary.
Here are two of the more interesting exchanges, beginning on page 58:
Q: When is the next time you talked or met with Dr. [Paige] Patterson?
A: I’m not sure. It was a long time. I don’t know exactly what the next date is.
Q: What was the event?
A. Well, I — I believe at some point in 2004 — or maybe in the fall of 2004 I spoke with him and asked him to also consider — I think and I don’t remember if this is the case. I don’t remember exactly what the dates are with regard to that time frame there. That was, you know, less significant to me at the point — at that point other than I also proposed or said to him that would also he consider possibly me doing something at the college because they were getting ready to have a college and, you know, if that would help my situation.
Q. Because that’s after —
A. Yeah, I wanted —
Q. — the summer of —
A. I wanted to please Dr. Patterson and wanted to fit within what he wanted so that he could feel that he could give his approval for me to stay at that job.
A. I enjoyed that job so much.
Q. But this fall of ’04 time period, that’s after the summer of ‘o4 when you learned that he would not recommend you for tenure?
Q. And the issue of looking for another place of employment came up that you described earlier?
A. Well, yeah.
Q. Ok. Now what — so after learning that, your — some period of time you believe in the fall of ’04, you were asking for him to reconsider his position on that those that taught men to be pastors ought to be pastor-qualified themselves and looking for an option other than that?
A. Other — year, either that or realizing, you know, if he wouldn’t grant an exception in my case, then perhaps — perhaps he would — you know, would be able to find another place of service for me at the institution. I was very — I was in a different situation from the typical woman, things were so reversed in so many ways as God’s hand was in it, so — but I will say this. I also in several instances attempted to try and, you know, make overtures to Mrs. Patterson, is there anything that I might be able to do to help with the women’s program, if there are any of my skills that would be important there. She dismissed me summarily right away and I was sort of surprised that she didn’t make any kind of overture to me or try to build any sort of bridge with me with regard to perhaps using my skills and abilities in some way with the women because I would have been open to that and I’ve expressed openness to that. I did not know her and I would have liked to have gotten acquainted with her and understanding, of course, that she has constraints that are part of being the wife of a president of a seminary and a very busy woman. Still as of — a woman who had been educated at Southwestern Seminary, I thought perhaps I could make a contribution and I couldn’t seem to get to square one with her.“
And then this excerpt from page 63:
Q. You mentioned that you — tell me about your conversations then with Mrs. Patterson.
A. Well, one time I — the first time that I met her she wasn’t very talkative, but, you know, I mean we have those days. And other times I went up to her and did say to her that if there’s anything I could contribute to the women’s program and she said to me, “I don’t think so.” And that was all she said.
To access the entire deposition, click below. Readers may also find an interesting discussion about Dr. David Allen on page 76:
2 thoughts on “All women are equal, but some are more equal than others”
Check out page 79 (toward the bottom) to 82. Hmmm.
Q. What about Dr. Allen? Did you ever meet or
talk with Dr. Allen about anything related to your claims
or any of the terms and conditions of your employment?
A. I remember a conversation, but I cannot date
A. When I sat down with him and I was talking to
him about Dr. Patterson’s perspective, his view of this
— this issue and he expressed to me or he had said to me
that when I was — that not everybody believes the same
way that Dr. Patterson does. He also said that he spoke
on my behalf at my election. And since I was not there
to witness any of this, I don’t know what actually
happened and so I only know what I’m told. He said that
he spoke on my behalf at my election when he was chairman
of the board of trustees, but that if I ever told
anybody, he’d deny it.